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I've read a lot of interesting articles (including yours, Kate) about this movie and look forward to seeing it, for more than purely ethnographic reasons.

I have but two statements to offer, and, having no postcards to hand, will place them here:

1. "Do people in real life truly believe kissing to be more intimate than sex?". The answer is "Yes". Many people (mostly women I've known, and a surprising number of gay men; I've never asked a straight guy) regard kissing as more intimate. The three female prostitutes/sex-workers I've known well (and they are quite smart & successful) maintained an inflexible NO KISSING rule with clients/johns. It's not a rule or preference that would ever occur to me, but I've always assumed that these are folks can neatly categorize between the garden-variety bump&grind of sex and potentially far-more intimate activity of kissing (during which someone is, come to think of it, literally getting inside your head).

2. For what it's worth? I've spent most of my adult life (about 45 years, now) as a gay man, and I've seen hundreds (literally) of partnerships/marriages come and go among my friends. It remains (with, of course, a few exceptions) that the most rock-solid, stable partnerships (marriages...whatever) have been between guys who are unmistakably Bear/Leather/BDSM "types". In short?....a subculture within a subculture that is by no means necessarily welcoming to "Bears". They inevitably turn out to have met each other in their 20's or thirties....and are still cheerfully together in their fifties and sixties. I've always assumed that they agreed, early-on, about the "rules" and stuck to them.....to the satisfaction of the two involved parties.

The truth is that I don't spend a lot of time analyzing or forming opinions about either my friends or their little goings-on in their bedrooms, but it remains that I am long-used to visiting my leather/BDSM/bear friends. One burly-chested, apron-wearing husband will be pulling fresh muffins out of the oven, while the other introduces you to their 6 new, adorable, rottweiler puppies.....and in the midst of this Betty Crocker domesticity, you're highly aware that there's a 7'-high sling in their bedroom (you once opened the wrong door in your search for the bathroom), and god knows what other paraphernalia in the basement. It's always unexpectedly charming.

So, thanks for your article, and I look forward to seeing the movie,

Level Best as Ever,

david terry

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